tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8233624608324716679.post4242760988849182284..comments2023-11-28T07:20:38.556+02:00Comments on The Torah Im Derech Eretz Society: Introducing American Hirschian Torah Im Derech EretzUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8233624608324716679.post-4715837011130050342013-10-20T23:46:59.039+03:002013-10-20T23:46:59.039+03:00I have heard the shiur and rely on Rakeffet for an...I have heard the shiur and rely on Rakeffet for an understanding of the difference between TIDE and TUM. So it depends what you mean by compatability. Let's say TIDE is different from TUM. Well so is TIDE different from TO (Torah only). Does that mean you as a TIDE person can't study R' Chaim Solovietchik? Look how many in the yeshiva world study R' Hirsch on Chumash. So I wouldn't call the Rav a TIDE person. He was TUM. But the Rav explained everything. He was a teacher for klal Yisrael. He didn't lay down derachim for people. He just explained Torah. And we needed someone like that in the 20th century since the entire world had been turned on his head. So when he explained TIDE, you could learn from it. When he explained Torah in general, you could learn from it. So I have to ask again, what you mean by compatability. I personally am pure TIDE. When I study secular subjects, I study the ones that fit in best with Torah and I bring in the ideas into my Torah life. TUM people don't do that. OK, that's a different derech. TIDE works for me because I have an orderly mind. I was raised in a Germanic country - the USA. I'm very moralistic. Thus, I like John Steinbeck and Charles Dickens. Many literarary critics make fun of them for being so moralistic as if that doesn't make for great literature. I don't know how well Hirschian TIDE will work for a Russian who is studying secular studies. Many Eastern Europeans including R' Kotler and R' Kamenestky read Dostoyefksi (sp?). I don't care for it. Too much despair and nihilism there. I want material that feeds right back into my Torah - a TIDE man. Maybe I'm an intellectual lightweight too. So in sum, I would phrase my approach like this: my derech is TIDE. It comes from R' Hirsch. But I still learn from R' Kook, R' Soloveitchik and many others. I don't get my derech from them. I'm not running off to make aliyah. I'm not studying Kant cover to cover. But just as I welcome the good produced by the general society, I welcome, l'havdil, Torah that comes from non-TIDE people. Are they compatabile? Their derachim are different. But it's all Torah and I can benefit from it.Yisraelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02992880437775144512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8233624608324716679.post-42380206759181859312013-10-20T17:50:09.912+03:002013-10-20T17:50:09.912+03:00I agree with much of what you write. But the follo...I agree with much of what you write. But the following shiur changed my mind re; R' Hirsch- R' Soloveitchick compatibility:<br /><br />http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/734813/Rabbi_Aaron_Rakeffet-Rothkoff/Rav_Hirsch-_The_Rav-_and_Their_Contrasting_Views_Of_Yeshiva_University<br /><br />I disagree vehemently with R' Rakeffet on some issues; but I think he's dead-on with his main points in this shiur.Avi from BM of TIDEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17434452164063875437noreply@blogger.com