Monday, March 13, 2017

TUM and TIDE - Rav Schwab

"Torah Im Derech Eretz is the opposite of Torah U'Maddah" R' Shimon Schwab. He says it here.

Is he speaking in words more acceptable to the Agudah audience or did he always completely see it that way? Is that the same as saying TUM is traife or just that it's different like the Litvish and the Chassidic derechem are in some ways opposites? I think he's probably saying that it's traife. No wonder Breuer's had nothing to do with YU. What do you think about the topic?

Note, he also has high praise here for Baalei Teshuvah and encourages the kiruv movement.


  1. Rav Schwab zt"l was a purist.

    He said what he believed. He did not just produce that line to pander for only that particular audience, חס ושלום.

    He was very careful with his words and aimed for precision in language. So even though תורה ומדע and תורה עם דרך ארץ may seem the same to others, to someone like him, the slight differences in formulation are not minor or trivial, and he embraced one and rejected the other.

    Does that mean that ostracized anyone who held otherwise? Especially lay people who may not see a difference between the two? No, of course not.

    1. Fine. But to call them opposites? Sounds like he was comparing them to good and evil.